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rosco 357

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"Switzerland and the Netherlands . . . cover all their citizens using private insurers, and they do so for much less cost."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/matt-miller/analyst-says-netherlands-switzerland-achieve-unive/

Matt Miller on Tuesday, September 8th, 2009 in a Washington Post op-ed
Analyst says Netherlands, Switzerland achieve universal coverage through private insurance
True


People on both sides of the health care debate like to make comparisons with other countries. Critics of President Obama's plan have warned that the United States could end up with programs similar to Canada and the United Kingdom, which they say have long waits and substandard care. But Matt Miller, a former Clinton White House aide now working as a management consultant, is citing two other countries -- the Netherlands and Switzerland -- as useful models for the United States because they have private insurance but still manage to provide universal coverage.

In a Washington Post op-ed on Sept. 8, 2009, he wrote that they illustrate how the U.S. could achieve the goal of covering the uninsured without expanding direct government-run health care, such as offering a "public option," an approach supported by many Democrats but opposed by many Republicans.

"The first fallacy of the 'public option or nothing' mantra is the notion that we'll never cover everyone without a Medicare-style program for Americans under 65. The experiences of Switzerland and the Netherlands prove that this isn't the case. Both have pioneered market-based universal health care. Both cover all their citizens using private insurers, and they do so for much less cost -- 10 percent of gross domestic product for the Dutch and 12 percent for Switzerland, compared with 17 percent in the United States, where nearly 50 million people are still uninsured."

Let's take Miller's assertions individually.

First, he's right that both countries have systems in which private companies provide the insurance. In both countries, citizens must buy health insurance from a company that must provide the customer with a basic package of services defined by the government. Subsidies are provided for people who need them. Because everyone is covered, the insurers can spread their financial risk across a large and diverse group of beneficiaries.

Companies cannot compete against each other on the basic package (and in Switzerland, any profit they make on basic services must be used to reduce premiums the following year). Instead, they can make a profit by offering supplementary packages that cover certain services such as dental care, eyeglasses and cosmetic surgery. In Switzerland, many insurers also provide life insurance or homeowners insurance.

The degree of government mandates and restrictions for private insurers in the Netherlands and Switzerland goes well beyond what is practiced by the U.S. government. But the insurers are indeed private, profit-seeking companies, as Miller said they are.

Miller's second point is that both countries have universal coverage. Yes, both require people to have health insurance (just as the Democratic bill would). In the Netherlands, for instance, the penalty for not having insurance is having to pay 130 percent of the premium during the time one is not insured. In both countries, the government can forcibly enroll uninsured citizens in a plan if they do not do so themselves. Enforcement of the law is probably not 100 percent in either country, but it's close.

Finally, Miller asserts that both nations spend less on health care than the U.S. does. Here, too, he is correct.

According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development -- a group that analyzes statistics on wealthier, industrialized countries -- the Dutch spent 9.8 percent of gross domestic product on health care in 2007, while the Swiss spent 10.8 percent and the U.S. spent 16 percent. So while Miller slightly overstated the percentage for Switzerland and the U.S., he's close.

As for the number of uninsured Americans, the most commonly cited number is 46 million. (We looked into the validity of this number here.) The recession has almost certainly bumped that number upward, so his "nearly 50 million" assertion is probably pretty close.

So let's recap. Miller is correct that both the Netherlands and Switzerland achieve universal coverage through systems that use private insurers. And he's right that both countries do so more cheaply than the United States. So we rate his statement True.

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An excellent post. There are two conditions in these two nations not extant here: 1) We have 50 states with 50 different sets of regulations. 2) The USA leads the world in the development of new drugs and technology. I dio think,however, that this example shows that private,efficient, healthcare management is the best way if standards are rationalized and enforced throughout the 50 states.

rosco 357

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i know we develop lots of new drugs, i cant compare to other countrys, but years ago when ppl complained about drugs being so high, they made the argument and i cant quote the government agency that helps develop new drugs u may know so the drug companys do not pay the whole bill now, well i need to take a break, on obamas speech did u catch what he said when he talked about alabama, he said we only have one healthcare company, i think is what he said, i do know a decade ago where i worked so long every year we changed companies to get a better price, and i always had to worry if my drs would be covered,i had to change sometimes, and some went bankrupt during the year so we had to change again, finallly i think they all went belly up, except for blue cross, they talk about crossing state lines, im on blue cross premera, in california, alabama blue cross has to handle it first, but blue cross premera cuts the check and gives me my paper work, before that i was on blue cross of wyoming, lol, because we have a plant there, they do this because they have all our companies across the country, use the same one as to get a better price. the price is easy to figure, as i learned when our union in past years where i worked, the new or existing company just takes what they had to pay out the year before and adds a certain percentage for handleing it and ofcourse a profit factor they want, take care

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