well Rosco with what has happened when the pugs almost destroyed this country,and the people keep voting for a party who does away with lunches for kids in school who can't afford it, and give big companies subsidies, think minimum wage should done away with doing away with medicare and social security, I would say that is very stupid,oh yes and don't want all americans to have health care~~does not want to end the wars,this nowaday party is not our grandfathers Grand old party,yes I will call them names as long as they support the rich by riding the backs of the working class and the poor!!

also the truth is,people are stubborn, and if the southerner's and Kentuckians that hate Obama it is not because he is a democrat, it is because he is black!

also these people who keep voting for republicans goes back to families,and what they voted for,I still believe it..

a simple solution to our deficit, and economy is to go back to Clinton's policy, the rich pay their fair share, and that will solve all the problem of deficit and unemployment,there is no such thing as trickle down wealth.

Clinton had the best eight years, and our country did better under his rule than with any other president, those are the facts~
why I despise the republican?? because they have sit on their ass and let bills presented not be voted on,or passed. when the dems have vote on them and good bills also.
the hell no party is why I despise them!

yes I am venting LMBO

so fun, your laughing as Tyler is//Whoopee!I am laughing too!!at you!

gypsy wrote:well Rosco with what has happened when the pugs almost destroyed this country,and the people keep voting for a party who does away with lunches for kids in school who can't afford it, and give big companies subsidies, think minimum wage should done away with doing away with medicare and social security, I would say that is very stupid,oh yes and don't want all americans to have health care~~does not want to end the wars,this nowaday party is not our grandfathers Grand old party,yes I will call them names as long as they support the rich by riding the backs of the working class and the poor!!

i agree with most all that, except the war part, i think obama pulling out the surge the 30,000 they just sent to push the taliban back is a mistake, i think the military thinks it a mistake, but im off on a tangent, i agree with the other parts of that post,

I don't.. it is time to pull out//after what six years? no ,there is no win there.we need to concentrate on reviving our country.when we are in war it weakens us, anyone with sense knows this

they are pulling out the 30,000 surge troops, i think they said that will leave 70,000 still there, but when they had only that many before the Taliban gained ground, but the surge pushed them back ,, whatever, take care,

let them fight their on war. it has gone on to long

gypsy wrote:let them fight their on war. it has gone on to long

well Afghanistan is where the twin tower thing was planned, and terrorist training grounds were there, u want to just give all that up, seems someone is doing a good job, its been years since a catastrophic event has happened here since then, those troops over there are not there for them ,they are there to protect the ppl of the united states, if we left the taliban would take over as before in a very short while, and allow terrorist to have training grounds there once more, ur logic escapes me

Sounds like Gypsy wants have her cake and eat it to. She likes the freedom she has but doesn't appreciate what makes that happen. She wants all our military influences and wars we engage in wherever they may be to stop and just come back home and everyone have a picnic. lol

Its the wars we fight and our military that keep her free and safe. Everything we do is about protecting this country and its people. Sometimes we protect and help other countries. But we protect this country first and foremost, that is the number 1 priority. The wars we fight are more complex than you think, they are addressed by the United States accordingly with long range goals in mind that lead to keeping us safe and free.

Gypsy wants the United States to quit protecting her. lmao

nope that is not what I want, my cake and eat it too,Freedom yes,
but two wars that should have never happened is not our freedom~there are good wars that accomplish something ,these wars have not!our freedom is at risk here in our own country look around, the tea party radicals and the pugs who are hell bent to destroy the working class of people,we will one day be in another war here in our country because of the stupid,pug
's and tearats!
I think republicans and men are war mongers!

well i dont understand that post, we cant go to war with the tea party, ppl are free to join the republican tea party , the tea party is just for lower taxes, and i know ppl that like the tea party, family members, but as for our military.. i dont understand u saying the war on terrorism in Afghanistan is and was not necessary. if u cant figure that one out, im not going to explain it again, i will say, these ppl in our military volunteer and join, they dont have to be in the military, as i did during vietnam, when there was a draft. no draft now, these ppl join knowing the mission they may go on, and the risk, many think they are doing what needs to be done, i have family over there... but i will hush it futile to discuss this farther...

no it wasn't necessary,,terrorism is still happening, hopefully we will be more watchful now than bush was when 9/11 happened and he had many warnings on it. war in this country because of republicans doing away with unions,collective bargaining, teachers not getting what pay they need, many things we are waring over in this country,and it all comes down to the pugs and tea party! just like the debt ceiling~ they had no problem raising it 7 times while bush was prez, and many times when reagan was.it has never been a problem but now that we have a black president, the pugs don't want him to succeed so they are balking on it.even if the wars kept us from bring attacked which i don't think it did, we have been there long enough, it is time to bring them home!

gypsy wrote:I think republicans and men are war mongers!

So men are war mongers, just like that. No research or facts to base that on. Just Men and republicans are war mongers end of story, case closed. Only men and republicans start wars. Women and Democrats are exempt from your analogy and reasoning of what a war monger is.

You can categorize war mongers by what gender they are and if they are a republican or not. That is what defines a war monger in your opinion. If they meet that criteria they are a war monger.

I guess that would mean Obama is a war monger too, and Clinton, George Burns, John Denver, your male family members, the Pope, Jesus Christ, etc,...

haha no, but what I meant was men tend to like war, or find it necessary over other more diplomatic ways,and yes pugs are more prone to big military and war, more, than raising minimum wage and helping the working class people, they rather spend our money on war!
you misinterpreted my meaning, I guess again I wasn't clear enough!

gypsy wrote:no it wasn't necessary,,terrorism is still happening, hopefully we will be more watchful now than bush was when 9/11 happened and he had many warnings on it. war in this country because of republicans doing away with unions,collective bargaining, teachers not getting what pay they need, many things we are waring over in this country,and it all comes down to the pugs and tea party! just like the debt ceiling~ they had no problem raising it 7 times while bush was prez, and many times when reagan was.it has never been a problem but now that we have a black president, the pugs don't want him to succeed so they are balking on it.even if the wars kept us from bring attacked which i don't think it did, we have been there long enough, it is time to bring them home!

Afghanistan. was the main place the terrorist were training the Taliban was letting them train, openly, ,and that is where osama was, at that time,, he went across the mountains in tora bora, as we chased him, but Pakistan who i dont trust i think gave him haven, but we got him . but he is not the only terrorist, or is Afghanistan the only place . but it was the main place,and will return to the main place if we pull out and the taliban takes back over, obama sent the surge to push the taliban back because they were advancing i think in south Afghanistan,.. u say we need to come home because there still is terrorism, and terrorist, its a world wide war, that analogy is like saying there is no need to arrest criminals that commit crime because there is still crime even thou we arrest criminals,i know it cost more, to be in a war, but where ever those troops are, be it here in the states, they still get paid,they still eat,, they still drive, they have war games to stay in practice, the one savings is they get paid more for combat pay and hazardous duty pay.. but just because they come home , the cost of them in the military is still there, but it is somewhat cheeper. less gas is used, what u say leave us defenseless,just pulll out,. amazing,

whatever Rosco,like I said we have been there long enough, and it is still bad there~ I pray that we will be war free soon~

gypsy wrote:whatever Rosco,like I said we have been there long enough, and it is still bad there~ I pray that we will be war free soon~

dont think that will happen, i think we will always have troops there.. maybe not but if not in a few years we will just have to go back, it simple, one thing maybe the preditor drones and the reapers can take up some slack, but that is a tough place, the russian got whipped there but we were supplying the mujahedin with stinger missles, but enough about all that,, there will always be wars, especially with the terrorist, they will not take an off day, take care,

Guess what Gypsy, we can never be "war free" in our lifetime. Maybe we can not be at actual war but we are always on guard and involved in world events. We won't let things go unnoticed. We can't take picnics and pretend everything will be alright. We have to stay on top on the power and make it stick. We will always have "War" as a possibility in our lifetime. And we have to be ready to take out anyone that opposes us.

In the future, many years from now, the world will be united. And alot of that will be because of the United States.

We don't want war, we want peace, but in order to get peace we must fight our opposition and beat them. Then we can continue to reach our goal, which is world freedom and become as one. That's the ultimate goal.

American wants freedom for all. You want peace right now in your lifetime. That's understandable, but its not that easy. We can't just stop what we are doing. If we do we will be destroyed. We must keep in power and tech to win this situation. And we are. Your comments are noted, but you don't know that half of it. Its classified.

i have watched a few movies , about the crusades, in Jerusalem. the english lived side by side with the muslims for years, then crooked leaders did things to cause a war with the muslims, and the muslims took Jerusalem. that is when Richard the lion Hearted went to take it back, so this muslim thing with the west, has gone on for centuries, and it escalated when in the late 40s after world war II we gave the jews from germany and russia and around there, the allies gave the jews the land in Israel they occupy
now. the muslims will never leave Israel alone. or the United States or any western nation that backs Israel...i have a great movie that precedes Richard the Lion Hearted, and it the main problem was crooked leaders that caused wars. but lived to regret it, because the muslims were powerful and more of them...

let me see if I can splain this Lucy's LOL I don't say we will never have wars,sometimes it is necessary,I think this war has gone on to long,whether we stay or leave there will always be terrorist.I know we have to keep trying, but it is a no win situation over there, it will revert back again and again~I do not believe all countries will be united,maybe in heaven yes~ but not here on earth.at least 80% of us Americans think it is time to end our occupation over there.

i find it ironic the republicans are fussing because obama the war monger is involved in libya.. over the 90 day limit, how many times has that law been trampled on;;; but gypsy, who are we fighting in Afghanistan? the terrorist, and Taliban that give them free reign , so we leave so they can grow stronger and we fight them here as they carry out their planned attacks on our soil, as happened in the twin towers, chemical? explosives? dirty nukes in a suitcase? spray biological disease? that sounds marvelous. of course that will only happen in large citys, so paducha and where i live have nothing to worry about , whats a few thousand New Yorkers worth anyway or Chicagoan s screw those yankees, or those nuts out in california , we could stand to loose a few thousand of them , their nuts anyways, . yep lets bring the troops home..dont u think those troops have some bearing on why we have not had another major event in so long, but screw the east and west coast, bring um home, but u bring them home and if we have one major event, and a dem is in the white house, lets see how long it is before another one is voted in there.. protecting the country is first and foremost.. nothing else, not the tea party, not the poor, but the safety of the nation trumps all other things, all things,

whatever rosco,all i am saying is the war should be over after eight years,and no we don't know for sure if the fighting in iraq and Afghanistan has done anything to stop terrorism,they continue to plan.and there are terrorists living right here in the US.and no i don't believe people should be killed anywhere in America by terrorists,and I also don't think any Americans should destroy the back bone of this country.as the repugs and tea party are doing, i also know we have to protect our country,but i also know as long as we are at war,especially for this long it endangers us also.. continuous fighting/war is not good!

we have protected and kept troops in south Korea since the early 50s, with great success, they as i have said several time build cars Hyundai in Alabama and kias in Georgia, by the way, in a class i took Hyundai studied the exact way toyota make cars, and the quality it good now, but i never mentioned IRAQ. that is another story and does not pertain to terrorism like Afghanistan does,Afghanistan that is where the twin towers attack originated, i do believe, thats why we went in there after the twin towers, but enough already, im not up on iraq but i think we want them to govern themselves , we may always have some oversight troops there, or not, take care,

Afghanistan is nor Korea,total different scenario~

gypsy wrote:Afghanistan is nor Korea,total different scenario~

i know that but its still a very dangerous place, probably more weapons aimed at US troops and Seoul than any place in the world.. so many we could never stop them if they unleashed them all without warning and its mainly because Seoul is so close to the border between the 2 countrys that we man the border,,